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Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Derek » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:53 pm

They’re either going to run the ball here or their going to pass it.

The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.

See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.

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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Spence » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:59 pm

I always liked Buckley. He had a good sense of humor and was a very witty writer.
"History doesn't always repeat itself but it often rhymes." - Mark Twain

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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Derek » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:02 am

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25241

Spot on

Buckley's next book, "McCarthy and His Enemies," written with L. Brent Bozell, proved that normal people didn't have to wait for the Venona Papers to be declassified to see that the Democratic Party was collaborating with fascists. The book -- and the left's reaction thereto -- demonstrated that liberals could tolerate a communist sympathizer, but never a Joe McCarthy sympathizer.

Relevant to Republicans' predicament today, National Review did not endorse a candidate for president in 1956, correctly concluding that Dwight Eisenhower was not a conservative, however great a military leader he had been. In his defense, Ike never demanded that camps housing enemy detainees be closed down.
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The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.

See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.

- John Madden

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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby donovan » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:09 am

Here is my Buckley Story....way back when National Review was trying to get off the ground, I had a subscription....I was at the time suffering from pecuniary strangulation and received a form letter from NR signed ..printed by Buckley that was soliciting money for the cause......I wrote back to him at letter explaining my desire to help was great but my pocketbook was small....He wrote back a personal letter, signed.....one page...apologizing, etc....and signed it with real ink....I have kept it all of these years......as well as an ongoing subscription....WFB was never afraid to change positions if it made sense...something few today do.....
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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Derek » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:24 pm

donovan wrote:Here is my Buckley Story....way back when National Review was trying to get off the ground, I had a subscription....I was at the time suffering from pecuniary strangulation and received a form letter from NR signed ..printed by Buckley that was soliciting money for the cause......I wrote back to him at letter explaining my desire to help was great but my pocketbook was small....He wrote back a personal letter, signed.....one page...apologizing, etc....and signed it with real ink....I have kept it all of these years......as well as an ongoing subscription....WFB was never afraid to change positions if it made sense...something few today do.....


SWEET! Don't ever lose that thing. FRAME it! 8)
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The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.

See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.

- John Madden

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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Spence » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:37 pm

donovan wrote:Here is my Buckley Story....way back when National Review was trying to get off the ground, I had a subscription....I was at the time suffering from pecuniary strangulation and received a form letter from NR signed ..printed by Buckley that was soliciting money for the cause......I wrote back to him at letter explaining my desire to help was great but my pocketbook was small....He wrote back a personal letter, signed.....one page...apologizing, etc....and signed it with real ink....I have kept it all of these years......as well as an ongoing subscription....WFB was never afraid to change positions if it made sense...something few today do.....



I agree. Changing positions can make sense as time changes. The definition of liberal is being able to change positions when it makes sense, only that isn't the practice in today's world. Some of the better conservatives of the last 30 years have been the most willing to change positions - some of the staunchest liberals have been least willing to make a change. I have always believed that if you aren't willing to change your thinking on things as the information or situations change you can't move forward or be productive. I think the problem with so many political leaders is their unwillingness to look at things with an open mind. You don't have to change your values to have an open mind on things. I think Buckley understood that, I wish more people would.
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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Spence » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:51 pm

fluiddude wrote:I subscribed to National Review starting around 1980 and only quit somewhat over a decade ago when they underwent a change of management (Sullivan stepped down) and eliminated the "Transogram," my favorite word puzzle of all time. I was also a regular watcher of Firing Line. The only time I can ever remember thinking Buckley was way off base was when he fired staff contributor Joseph Sobran over allegations of anti-semitism, thus appearing to bow fealty to repulsive Neo-Con's (my opinion) like Podhoretz, Decter et. al.

*waves to all*


Yes, unless he was really anti-semitic.

I have always wondered, though, why people want to stifle the racist voice. Personally, I think I would want to know who they are and where.
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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Derek » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:52 am

Spence wrote:
fluiddude wrote:I subscribed to National Review starting around 1980 and only quit somewhat over a decade ago when they underwent a change of management (Sullivan stepped down) and eliminated the "Transogram," my favorite word puzzle of all time. I was also a regular watcher of Firing Line. The only time I can ever remember thinking Buckley was way off base was when he fired staff contributor Joseph Sobran over allegations of anti-semitism, thus appearing to bow fealty to repulsive Neo-Con's (my opinion) like Podhoretz, Decter et. al.

*waves to all*


Yes, unless he was really anti-semitic.

I have always wondered, though, why people want to stifle the racist voice. Personally, I think I would want to know who they are and where.


Exactly Spence!!!!! This is a perfect example of why I consider/accuse the left of using "Nazi" like tactics. Both in the disemination(sp) of propaganda and the silencing of their enemy's.

If you don't agree with them, your a racist/bigot/homophobe or any of a dozen names they can label you with, and the Press goes right along with it.

Here's a good blog on the subject, just by googling real quick. It uses the "Fairness doctrine" debate that went on last year.

http://roguejew.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/liberal-democrats-resort-to-nazi-tactics-to-silence-opposition
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The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.

See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.

- John Madden

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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Eric » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:26 pm

So who's really open-minded? 8)

Open-mindedness is overrated. At least the definition of it for libs is. There's nothing wrong with believing strongly in your opinions. I guess being open-minded means to look at both sides of the issue, but for many on the left, it means being sympathetic and tolerating crap. And that kind of open-mindedness is overrated. Is anybody following me? :lol:
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Postby Spence » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:18 pm

Eric wrote:So who's really open-minded? 8)

Open-mindedness is overrated. At least the definition of it for libs is. There's nothing wrong with believing strongly in your opinions. I guess being open-minded means to look at both sides of the issue, but for many on the left, it means being sympathetic and tolerating crap. And that kind of open-mindedness is overrated. Is anybody following me? :lol:


For me being open minded means being willing to consider all sides and make an informed position. It doesn't mean chucking your values to get along. I agree that you must be willing to defend your positions when the facts fall down on your side of the argument, but I also believe that you must be willing to abandon a position that turns out to be false.
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Re: Farewell my Friend!!

Postby Eric » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:15 pm

Indeed. I'm just saying that being open-minded should mean being open to both sides of an issue. For many, it means tolerating crap.

This is totally off-topic, but the excuse-making for Obama's pastor is driving me nuts! Look, the guy is anti-American, no question about it. I am sympathetic to him in some ways because, and this is my assumption, he probably grew up in a society where he was treated as a second-class citizen. He was a marine, wasn't he? How would you feel if you risked your life and then you were treated as poorly as he was? But, yeah, the guy is in need of a reality check....

So I'm hearing about how much his comments are being taken "out of context." That's just a lame excuse. I'm so sick of hearing, "well, those are just snippets" or "you need to listen to his entire sermons" or "he's basically a good guy." Enough!
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