I like Thompson too. He is the most conservative guy in the campaign IMO.
McCain is a better choice than Obama or Hillary any day of the week.
But I do wish he would have not supported the immigration bill. That angers me.
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They’re either going to run the ball here or their going to pass it.
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
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See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
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I'm not a cheerleader for Thompson, but if I had my way, he would be president. There's not a lot of separation between the top tier of candidates for me.
McCain is about the worst Republican you can find to become president. You can clump him in with the other faux Republicans like Lindsey Graham. No wonder SC pulled for McCain
Still, would you have any clue as to why his campaign has picked up so much steam? What, exactly, has he done to get this thing going? He was left for dead before New Hampshire.
McCain is about the worst Republican you can find to become president. You can clump him in with the other faux Republicans like Lindsey Graham. No wonder SC pulled for McCain
Still, would you have any clue as to why his campaign has picked up so much steam? What, exactly, has he done to get this thing going? He was left for dead before New Hampshire.
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Eric wrote:I'm not a cheerleader for Thompson, but if I had my way, he would be president. There's not a lot of separation between the top tier of candidates for me.
McCain is about the worst Republican you can find to become president. You can clump him in with the other faux Republicans like Lindsey Graham. No wonder SC pulled for McCain
Still, would you have any clue as to why his campaign has picked up so much steam? What, exactly, has he done to get this thing going? He was left for dead before New Hampshire.
The press is a big fan of McCain because he is a weak Republican. Part of the "gang of 11". For BYU's benefit
, JK BYU, the "gang of 11" was a group of democrats and republicans that got together and sang "Kum-bi-ya" and promised that the Dems would not filibuster anymore judicial nominess, and that the Republicans would only support moderate Judges. Just what "moderate" means, I don't know...Maybe that you have no spine? Or know what you believe in??And McCain looked like a total fool, along with the other Republicans, when the Dem's went back on that pledge.
He is NOT a true conservative....But we would have the hottest first lady in history.
They’re either going to run the ball here or their going to pass it.
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
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So, I assume that if I were to support Mrs. Clinton, that would not be received with the greatest amount of joy?
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donovan wrote:So, I assume that if I were to support Mrs. Clinton, that would not be received with the greatest amount of joy?
I guess it depends on who you tell.
This is America and you may support who you like. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about it. Personally, though, I would have to ban myself if I wrote the word that always comes to my mind when I see her. "History doesn't always repeat itself but it often rhymes." - Mark Twain
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donovan wrote:So, I assume that if I were to support Mrs. Clinton, that would not be received with the greatest amount of joy?
Probably not. But that's your call.
HIllary does not have a great SOS factor though.
Being at Woodstock is not going to look good when compared to being a POW in Nam.
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See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
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I don't get all the love for McCain either. I respect what he did for his country and he seems like a man who walks the walk (so to speak), but he isn't a conservative. I don't consider George W a conservative and McCain is to the left of him.
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Why is there this assumption that conservatism is a virtue?....
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donovan wrote:Why is there this assumption that conservatism is a virtue?....
That to depends on your point of view. I tend to favor guys that are fiscally conservative, but moderate on social issues. I believe in a dual federalist government using a free market economic system. I also believe that no party or parties should hold to much power for an extended period of time. It tends to get away from the idea of serving the people and more to the idea or serving the party or themselves. I'm not in favor of socialism to the extent that it is being advocated by the current leaders of the Democratic party.
Mostly, though, I would like to have a system where the people that served did what they believe to be right no matter the consequences. We haven't had many like that in the last couple hundred years.
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donovan wrote:Why is there this assumption that conservatism is a virtue?....
Because it is.
Liberalism/Socialism is not what the founding fathers intended. They would have the guts to call Social Security, Universal Healthcare, and welfare what they are...Unconstitutional.
Read the 10th (and most important) Amendment. It is the most important Amendment. What good is saying you have Freedom of Speech, when the government does what it wants with your money? And one can rightly assume, that when they do what they want with your money, your freedom's are not far behind. Just ask someone that came from the Soviet Uniion about freedom of speech. They are tied together.
Conservatism is not a virtue, but a belief system. And I myself, am a social and economic conservative. I don't know what that brings into your mind, but I'm sure it's wrong, since people like myself are not highly thought of in the press. Even viewed as stupid sometimes. I can only hope you don't watch CNN.
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I disagree, I think the first and second amendments are the most important. I think that is why they were listed 1 and 2. Freedom of speech is the most important thing to maintain a free society. The right of citizens to protect that speech against an unruly government is the vehicle the founding fathers used for us to maintain our freedom. Not that the others weren't important because they are the foundation of our representitive democracy, but you can't have anything if you don't have 1 and 2. With one and two you have the ability to enforce everything else.
The problems in this country have nothing to do with liberal or conservative ideas, they have to do with people not paying attention and corrupt people holding positions of power. We let people buy and sell our freedoms so we can get a day off or get a bridge built, or we can get something for nothing. Everything comes with a price. We, as a society, have not payed attention to the people in charge (both sides). We have let them have control over almost every part of our lives to feel safe or to feel protected. It isn't the ideas that have hurt this country. It is the lack of people paying attention to what is going on. The ideas, both good and bad, is what will help us move forward if one day we decide to care.
The problems in this country have nothing to do with liberal or conservative ideas, they have to do with people not paying attention and corrupt people holding positions of power. We let people buy and sell our freedoms so we can get a day off or get a bridge built, or we can get something for nothing. Everything comes with a price. We, as a society, have not payed attention to the people in charge (both sides). We have let them have control over almost every part of our lives to feel safe or to feel protected. It isn't the ideas that have hurt this country. It is the lack of people paying attention to what is going on. The ideas, both good and bad, is what will help us move forward if one day we decide to care.
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I agree that no where does it say that chonology has any thing to do with the first ten amendments. Still look at the order in which they were written. Democracy can not survive without the free exchange of ideas and free speech can not be protected if the government controls the weapons. I wrote a paper on this a long time ago. I have always thought that the whole document was well thought out and written in a specific manner.
While power and money can be used to corrupt the process, the people still have the power to minimize that corruption by not keeping those who use that power the wrong way in office. People still have control in this government if they only would pay attention. I agree that we need to take away the political power of those who do not work for the people. The problem with doing that is we must look at all options when choosing a representative. We need to make it a point to research the candidates and not just vote for the person who has the best advertising. Being elected has turned into one giant advertising campaign and we have turn into a nation of people with a 30 second attention span. We believe what we are told without checking things out. We like it when people promise us "stuff". We need to look toward the greater good, but we tend to look through selfish eyes. At some point, we as a nation, have lost the ability to do the right thing - because it is the right thing to do.
I think Americans spend way to much time debating and arguing about social issues. Those issues are what divides this country and keeps our focus on the wrong things. If my kid isn't learning well enough in school it is my responsibility to pull him out and get him in a better school. If my employer isn't treating me right then I need to find another employer. If my representative is trading money for influence, then I need to kick him out. If my representative puts judges in the courts who do not follow the constitution then I should do everything in my power to find a new one.
Just agreeing in principle with a potential representative isn't enough. We get the government that we deserve because we choose them. We should choose better people.
c) As long as individuals and entities (corporations, et. al.) can minimize risk and maximize profits by investing in government, corruption will be it's collarary; conversely the best way to minimize official corruption is to take away their power to benefit some at the expense of others.
While power and money can be used to corrupt the process, the people still have the power to minimize that corruption by not keeping those who use that power the wrong way in office. People still have control in this government if they only would pay attention. I agree that we need to take away the political power of those who do not work for the people. The problem with doing that is we must look at all options when choosing a representative. We need to make it a point to research the candidates and not just vote for the person who has the best advertising. Being elected has turned into one giant advertising campaign and we have turn into a nation of people with a 30 second attention span. We believe what we are told without checking things out. We like it when people promise us "stuff". We need to look toward the greater good, but we tend to look through selfish eyes. At some point, we as a nation, have lost the ability to do the right thing - because it is the right thing to do.
I think Americans spend way to much time debating and arguing about social issues. Those issues are what divides this country and keeps our focus on the wrong things. If my kid isn't learning well enough in school it is my responsibility to pull him out and get him in a better school. If my employer isn't treating me right then I need to find another employer. If my representative is trading money for influence, then I need to kick him out. If my representative puts judges in the courts who do not follow the constitution then I should do everything in my power to find a new one.
Just agreeing in principle with a potential representative isn't enough. We get the government that we deserve because we choose them. We should choose better people.
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Derek wrote:donovan wrote:Why is there this assumption that conservatism is a virtue?....
Because it is.
Conservatism is not a virtue, but a belief system. And I myself, am a social and economic conservative. I don't know what that brings into your mind, but I'm sure it's wrong, since people like myself are not highly thought of in the press. Even viewed as stupid sometimes. I can only hope you don't watch CNN.
I asked a couple of questions....not sure I expressed my personal views....not sure anyone cares....just not sure how you can tell me what I am thinking....
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...and in case you are interested....my favorite authors on these subjects are: Carl Menger, Ludwig Von Misses, Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman. I have attended multiple seminars at the Ludwig Von Misses Institute......am a regular subscriber to Hillsdale College...but they don't have a football team and if they did their SOS would suck...so....
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I went to Hillsdale on a fraternity trip once. Your right, their SOS would suck. It is a nice school, though, very small. They do have a football team. The frat we visited was made up of mostly football players. I don't know if they are D-11 or D-111.
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