Ohio - Sells it Soul

[donovan]

...The voters of Ohio have no idea what they are in for. Casino gambling is the bait for crime of uncontrollable portions. It attracts more vices than most have heard of. This is not new ground....A giant step backward.

[Spence]

...The voters of Ohio have no idea what they are in for. Casino gambling is the bait for crime of uncontrollable portions. It attracts more vices than most have heard of. This is not new ground....A giant step backward.

It was a hard dirty fight over several years. They finally got in. I'm not sure how it will impact us indirectly. Directly it won't at all. I gamble on golf a little, I shoot a little pool, but the card games and machines I don't find the least little bit interesting. I will never walk through the door.

[billybud]

Probably no worse than the state run lottery.

I don't play but I kind of like it...it is so perverse. It is a voluntary inverse tax, kind of like taxes on cigarettes. Inverse, meaning that those who can least afford to put their money into it, put a disproportionate share of their income into lottery tickets.

And I think it is kind of fitting. The lottery monies go towards education. The middle and upper income classes have smaller families and have had their tax monies go to support the children of the larger families of the lower income groups who don't pull their weight in taxes. This perverse little numbers racket gets some of it back...

[Spence]

That is exactly what it is. I don't play the lottery either, but it is obscene the way some people sit and scratch of tickets in the stores. I guess if you have the money and find it amusing then go for it. Problem is most who go do not have the money.

[WoVeU]

I get frustrated. I'd like to be the middle man for a year. Pay them for their winners and I'd hold them all. End of year count it all up! I'd bet more than a few with incomes under 20k would have 1.5 to 3k losses!!!

[Spence]

No doubt, but you can't protect people from themselves. I have never played any casino games or the lottery. I will go to Las Vegas next spring for a conference and I won't spend a nickle in a slot machine. It isn't my thing. I have nothing against it morally. I don't consider someone gambling for entertainment any different then spending a couple hundred on a nice dinner or 30 dollars at a movie. If you have it and that is fun for you, then OK. If you can't afford it, then yes it is wrong. It doesn't matter what the activity happens to be.

As far as the crime thing goes. I have no experience with anything associated with gambling so I can't comment on it - except to say that now that they have voted it in, they need to make sure it doesn't. We have lots of drugs in this area. The crystal meth is the worst. The blow themselved up regularly making it. They steal to get it. I don't know if more crime will come as a result. We have plenty already.

[donovan]

I am for people doing what they want, just do not involve me if I choose not to be involved.

Gambling involves everyone. We are plagued with Indian Casinos in our area. They attract, drugs, prostitution, high stakes unregulated gambling, plus all of the associated problems with gambling. Casinos can ruin a community and the return to the tax base hardly makes up for the destruction. One man's opinion.

[Spence]

I am for people doing what they want, just do not involve me if I choose not to be involved.

Gambling involves everyone. We are plagued with Indian Casinos in our area. They attract, drugs, prostitution, high stakes unregulated gambling, plus all of the associated problems with gambling. Casinos can ruin a community and the return to the tax base hardly makes up for the destruction. One man's opinion.

I agree. I guess it all comes down to how much control the people can keep. I'm not a fan of the casino's. Their goal is to have people walk in and stay. I don't see it helping local businesses in the area over all - may even hurt them. They are coming, though, so as long as they stay out of my hair- I will except them. If they don't I guess I'll move.

[Eric]

I am for people doing what they want, just do not involve me if I choose not to be involved.

Gambling involves everyone. We are plagued with Indian Casinos in our area. They attract, drugs, prostitution, high stakes unregulated gambling, plus all of the associated problems with gambling. Casinos can ruin a community and the return to the tax base hardly makes up for the destruction. One man's opinion.

For a "small 'l' " libertarian, you're flaking out on me, Donovan

[donovan]

No I am not. People want to vote it in...so be it. Not sure why they even have to vote on it. Guy wants to open a business and it is legal, go for it. My point is I do not want casino's in my neighborhoods or city anymore than porno shops. Zoning is a perfectly reasonable control. (Once you decide..you should not be able to change.)

Just because I think people have the right, does not mean I have to like it. And...one of the principles of the small l libertarian is that you can not do "stuff" that interferes with my rights. So...if casino's, porno shops, auto body shops, polluting smokestacks interfere with me, that gets addressed. Zoning is one way, "reasonable standards" another.

Do not loose faith....as a final note. The problem with many in the Libertarian party is they want to legalize..a very funny term...things because they want to do it...not because it is part of liberty.

[WoVeU]

Not just Libertarians...the whole lot is always ready to vote for something they "want to do." I still have things I want to do that I shouldn't, morally. But my life would be irrecognizable to anyone around me if I lived a life of doing things the I wanted to do!

[Eric]

Not just Libertarians...the whole lot is always ready to vote for something they "want to do." I still have things I want to do that I shouldn't, morally. But my life would be irrecognizable to anyone around me if I lived a life of doing things the I wanted to do!

Cough***Democrats***Cough

Of course Republicans have a monopoly on voting for what they don't want people to do