The MAC programs can do what sometimes happens at a less competitive program...you get a great QB and a good receiver or two and a program moves up a notch for a while..Marshall with Chad Pennington and Randy Moss or UCF with Dante Culpepper...and then when they leave, the program drops back to its normal station. The improvement is an anomaly and only a short term phenomenon. The programs do not have the engines that allow for long term competitiveness.
Like Wake Forest's competitiveness this year, an anomaly...but Wake won't be a top ACC team year in and out...
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Georgia played Marshall in 2004 and gave us a scare. They were not whipping boys.
They’re either going to run the ball here or their going to pass it.
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
Marshall only scored three points on Georgia...It might provide a little scare if a team plays "off" but Marshall is not competitive with the Big Ten nor SEC...Wyoming gave Georgia more of a scare as did UAB in their 13-16 loss.
Marshall, and teams like them, look good when you play down to their level...the game looks close but is never really in danger of being lost.
Marshall, and teams like them, look good when you play down to their level...the game looks close but is never really in danger of being lost.
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billybud wrote:you play down to their level....
I've heard folks use this phrase before .... never really understood what it means .... can anybody define this for me and help my hillbilly self comprehend just what in the dickens this is, how does it happen and just how one determines when it has happened?
billybud wrote:Marshall only scored three points on Georgia...It might provide a little scare if a team plays "off" but Marshall is not competitive with the Big Ten nor SEC...Wyoming gave Georgia more of a scare as did UAB in their 13-16 loss.
Marshall, and teams like them, look good when you play down to their level...the game looks close but is never really in danger of being lost.
Yes, that's true. But from what I remember of the game, at least the first half maybe, There was some doubt as to whether Georgia was gonna show up or not.
AND, the Georgia team of 2004 was WAY better than last years team.
They’re either going to run the ball here or their going to pass it.
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
The fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break.
See, well ya see, the thing is, he should have caught that ball. But the ball is bigger than his hands.
- John Madden
Mountainman...I don't know if you are being passive aggressive, as I suspect, or really do not understand the concept of "playing down" to an opponent.
But I'll take you at face value...so I'll try a quick stab at it..
Football is an emotional game....teams can get "up" for only so many games and opponents...a 20 point underdog that has about a zero chance of beating you is difficult to get up for...a team sometimes sleep walks through this type of game. In fact, the game needs to get a little competitive before any fire can be built..
This is compounded by the good team resting its stars and starters to give the third string some playing time (which lowers the level closer to the underdog). Often, teams will hold back on the offensive and defensive playbooks so as not to give the next opponent much to look at.
Examples of this would be...FSU in 2005 beating VT and playing Penn State to triple OT after playing really down to lesser teams...or this past year with FSU playing Florida within 7 with a real chance in the 4th qtr...while losing to an awful NC State.
But I'll take you at face value...so I'll try a quick stab at it..
Football is an emotional game....teams can get "up" for only so many games and opponents...a 20 point underdog that has about a zero chance of beating you is difficult to get up for...a team sometimes sleep walks through this type of game. In fact, the game needs to get a little competitive before any fire can be built..
This is compounded by the good team resting its stars and starters to give the third string some playing time (which lowers the level closer to the underdog). Often, teams will hold back on the offensive and defensive playbooks so as not to give the next opponent much to look at.
Examples of this would be...FSU in 2005 beating VT and playing Penn State to triple OT after playing really down to lesser teams...or this past year with FSU playing Florida within 7 with a real chance in the 4th qtr...while losing to an awful NC State.
“If short hair and good manners won football games, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”
Examples of this would be...FSU in 2005 beating VT and playing Penn State to triple OT after playing really down to lesser teams...or this past year with FSU playing Florida within 7 with a real chance in the 4th qtr...while losing to an awful NC State.
Playing down? I think FSU was not that great this year, so they could not afford to "play down" to anybody
Did you ever consider that maybe Florida was playing down to your 'Noles?
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See..you understand the concept! Like FSU waiting until late to beat WVU by double digits...it happens often...maybe WVU being even with GT for a long while is the same phenom..
I thought your response was being passive aggressive....you get that way with some of my posts..
I thought your response was being passive aggressive....you get that way with some of my posts..
“If short hair and good manners won football games, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”
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mountainman
mountainman wrote:billybud wrote:you play down to their level....
I've heard folks use this phrase before .... never really understood what it means .... can anybody define this for me and help my hillbilly self comprehend just what in the dickens this is, how does it happen and just how one determines when it has happened?
billybud wrote:Mountainman...I don't know if you are being passive aggressive, as I suspect, or really do not understand the concept of "playing down" to an opponent.
But I'll take you at face value...so I'll try a quick stab at it..
Football is an emotional game....teams can get "up" for only so many games and opponents...a 20 point underdog that has about a zero chance of beating you is difficult to get up for...a team sometimes sleep walks through this type of game. In fact, the game needs to get a little competitive before any fire can be built..
This is compounded by the good team resting its stars and starters to give the third string some playing time (which lowers the level closer to the underdog). Often, teams will hold back on the offensive and defensive playbooks so as not to give the next opponent much to look at.
Examples of this would be...FSU in 2005 beating VT and playing Penn State to triple OT after playing really down to lesser teams...or this past year with FSU playing Florida within 7 with a real chance in the 4th qtr...while losing to an awful NC State.
billybud, as I said before, your suspicions are your own, to deal with as you see fit. Cannot help you there.
I am pleased you chose to take my post at face value, while perplexed as to why you would conjure up a notion of 'passive aggressive' that I can only assume is put forth to suggest that because you have a suspicion therefore it's real ....... suspicions and illusions are just that and are not reflections of reality. The only thing that is real is the suspicion itself.
Thanks for taking a stab at it, but your attempt has brought me no closer to defining or understanding what 'playing down to their level' means. To me, in the context of a college football game, it sounds similar to one of those non-defined, unintelligible terms or phrases used as an attempt to give reason for a performance or event that was not anticipated, expected or understood.
Just so you'll know, as I said, I've heard folks use that expression before and I've asked them what it means and to define it ...... nothing of any substance has surfaced yet, just ramblings.
There could be an upside though .... it may have help some else.
"play down to" is like many other colloquialisms that are more common in conversation than in formal speech or writing. They are used all the time. 'play down to' is a very common one.
Seems to me...if you choose not to understand that phrase..so be it...a lot of people under the guise of not understanding, try to make a statement.....so if you are making some statement that it is not possible to play down to..or that phrase is not possible...then just say so and quit beating around the bush...but if you believe that no one can define this phrase...then I think that says more about the receiver than the transmitter. There are phrases I do not like...I know what the intent is..but I do not believe the basis of the thought....one of mine is....He gave 110%. Can not happen..impossible...100% is all you can give....do not like the inflation factor.....I digress...does not mean I do not understand the intent.
Well...I hope my ramblings was not playing down to your understanding..I just gave it 110%.
Seems to me...if you choose not to understand that phrase..so be it...a lot of people under the guise of not understanding, try to make a statement.....so if you are making some statement that it is not possible to play down to..or that phrase is not possible...then just say so and quit beating around the bush...but if you believe that no one can define this phrase...then I think that says more about the receiver than the transmitter. There are phrases I do not like...I know what the intent is..but I do not believe the basis of the thought....one of mine is....He gave 110%. Can not happen..impossible...100% is all you can give....do not like the inflation factor.....I digress...does not mean I do not understand the intent.
Well...I hope my ramblings was not playing down to your understanding..I just gave it 110%.
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