Notre Dame is at it again!!!!!

[Yeofoot]

Hey, it worked for Texas, Mack Brown whined his way into the Rose Bowl two years ago. Then of course we proved that we were supposed to be there when we won, and Cal lost. But hey, you do what ya gotta do.

COLT MCCOY FOR HEISMAN!!!!!!!!!!

[colorado_loves_football]

Now not only do they deserve a title shot, but Brady Quinn deserves the Heisman?

The two go 'hand-in-hand'. I suspect it was a reason (in 2002) Nebraska was selected over Colorado, in the Rose Bowl. I know, Nebraska had a better record, than Colorado did, but Colorado 'demolished' Nebraska 62-36, for the N. title.
They followed that up with a 39-37 win over Mack Brown's Texas Longhorn team (that had beaten Colorado, soundly earlier that year) to capture their first Big XII title. And, they had Chris Brown (6TDs vs NU).
Brady Quinn has played well, most of the year. One bad game, to date.
That shouldn't 'disqualify' a player, for the most coveted trophy (other than CNN/USA Today) in all of college football. N.D. deserves a 'shot'.

I would say that there are atlreast 5 players who deserve the Heisman more than Brady this year, but there he is at number 2 in the voting. This is a joke, I could probably get some Heisman votes if I went to ND, just b/c it's ND. Seriously I guess all schools should take a page out of ND's book and just start the season whining about everything and keep it up until you get what you want. nevermind the actual games.

Well, he's likely #2 behind Troy Smith, who hasn't lost a game (yet). If Michigan should happen to beat Ohio St, they'd be 'tied', wouldn't they?
Maybe Chad Henne should be a serious Heisman trophy candidate? Mike Hart has played well, at times (against N.D. for example). Mario Manningham, when healthy, has been exceptional. It's all relative, IMO.

[..fanatic]

McFadden should definitely be getting more Heisman love than he is. In my book, Calvin Johnson at Georgia Tech should be the front-runner. Nothing against Troy Smith - he'd be my close second. GT could be unbeaten if Reggie Ball would just throw it in CJ's direction 10 times a game. Inexplicably, there have been games where he didn't get more than handful of passes thrown to him. Who cares if he's covered. The dude is 6'6" with tremendous leaping ability and soft hands.

[Spence]

Calvin Johnson is the best receiver out there. If he had a quarterback he would have amazing numbers.

Marcus Monk is very impressive also. I think he is more impressive then McFadden, and that isn't meant as a knock on Mcfadden.

[RazorHawk]

McFadden should definitely be getting more Heisman love than he is. In my book, Calvin Johnson at Georgia Tech should be the front-runner. Nothing against Troy Smith - he'd be my close second. GT could be unbeaten if Reggie Ball would just throw it in CJ's direction 10 times a game. Inexplicably, there have been games where he didn't get more than handful of passes thrown to him. Who cares if he's covered. The dude is 6'6" with tremendous leaping ability and soft hands.

Unfortunately, the Heisman Trophy has become an award for any good player on a TOP team. If you are a great player on an average team you have no chance of winning the award. You can make the list, but will not win the award. If Troy Smith is the deserving recipient, a loss against Michigan (provided Smith has a decent game) should have NO affect on his winning.

[Dossenator]

Razorhawk...it will though. If Ohio State losses to Michigan and Notre Dame beats USC then Brady Quinn will become the front runner. I have been listening to lots of sports talk radio and most think that is the situation. Most even think if Michigan beats Ohio State that Henne's name will begin to creep up the list. I have noticed out here in California everyone is talking about Colt McCoy. Don't be suprised for this freshman QB to finish in the top 5 or so in voting (he has all ready set a Texas TD record with 27 TD passes so far this year).

Anyway, I think McFadden is a top 5 back in the nation. Compare his numbers to say Hart at Michigan. He has I believe one more TD and the yards are almost identical. However, here is the eye opener. Hart has almost 100 more carries to eqaul the same number of yards...he averages 4.3 yards a carry....McFadden is averaging 6.4 yards a carry....McFadden also has F. Jones stealing 88 carries away from him (you got to give Jones the ball he is the 4th leading rusher in the SEC and he is the backup). Razorhawk...I agree though. For McFadden to have a shot the Hogs would have to win out, win the SEC Championship, etc. He would still fall short in my opinion....especially this year. He is only a sophmore.

Spence as for Monk being more impressive then McFadden....not sure I agree. Both will be playing on Sundays in the near future....barring any major injuries. It does look like that if McFadden keeps up the way he is running now he will be the all time leading rusher for Arkansas (he si the fastest Razorback to reach 2000 yards for their career and the first Sophmore to ever do it...and there is still 3 games left in the regular season this year....man he is special)....and Monk only needs 4 more TD's I think to set a new TD reception record at Arkansas...and he is only a junior. Arkansas has some weapons. I can't wait to see them perform against Tenneesee this Saturday.

[Spence]

Like I said, I didn't meant it as a knock on McFadden. I think Monk, though, will be a 15 time pro bowler in the NFL.

[Spence]

You can't predict that with runningbacks. They depend too much on other factors.

[donovan]

You can't predict that with runningbacks. They depend too much on other factors.

Yep...there is a reason they call them skilled and unskilled positions......or was that in the Joy of Sex.....I get so confused....

[colorado_loves_football]

Brady Quinn's performance is like saying because I play well against a bunch of peewee kids and then suck it up when I play a great team, I deserve the Heisman. He's not even in the top 5 in passing. He's really getting recognition because he's at Notre Dame... if he weren't there... if he were at Oklahoma State or TCU or Northwestern or some other school... he wouldn't be talked about in the same regards... is he good, YES! But is he the BEST player in college football... hardly.

You have a right to your own opinion, I think Quinn has mostly lived up to the 'hype', so I've giving him his 'just due'. Imagine how hard it must be to play for Notre Dame. I can't, myself. Anyone can have a bad game. Actually, I think Quinn picked a good game to 'suck' in. Michigan was on a 'roll'. Notre Dame was still getting it's feet wet. If those teams were to meet in a BCS pairing, I think the result, would likely be different.
But, if it's based entirely on W/L then Chad Henne should be getting press. The Henne, Hart, & Manningham 'tri-fecta' make a pretty good Heisman trophy 'candidate', in my book. Each, individually, work toward a common goal. Wouldn't that be something!

See no mention of the obvious best player in the nation. Darren Mcfadden. How can the guy not get any love? He's over 1000 yards already, he's the main reason were 8-1. He's the main reason we have a real chance at the SECCG. He's the main reason we have a legitimate shot atleast saying we deserve a MNC, and anyone that has ever watched him play will tell you that he is clearly deserving of some Heisman talk. Not that I'm biased or anything.

There's nothing wrong with being 'biased' if you can 'justify' it. I don't follow Razorback football, that closely, if at all. Right now, the loss to USC is likely 'hurting' the 'Hogs, in nearly every respect. USC's loss to Oregon St, might still be in the minds of voters. I really don't think it's about 'bias' at all. Voters try to be 'fair' for the most part. ( When Ty Detmer won the Heisman trophy, 1990, a lot of people thought Raghib Ismail deserved it. BYU followed it up (Heisman) with two 'lop-sided' losses to 'inferior' opponents (Hawaii, Texas A&M). Fortunately for him (Detmer) they awarded him the trophy, prematurely, in my opinion. Raghib Ismail nearly beat Colorado, singlehanded (as did Louisville's return specialist, last night). 'Gamebreakers' are what I call them (return specialists). But, I think voters look at a wide variety of info, before making a choice. Detmer might have still won it, it's hard to say.

[Spence]

You have a right to your own opinion, I think Quinn has mostly lived up to the 'hype', so I've giving him his 'just due'. Imagine how hard it must be to play for Notre Dame. I can't, myself. Anyone can have a bad game. Actually, I think Quinn picked a good game to 'suck' in. Michigan was on a 'roll'. Notre Dame was still getting it's feet wet. If those teams were to meet in a BCS pairing, I think the result, would likely be different.
But, if it's based entirely on W/L then Chad Henne should be getting press. The Henne, Hart, & Manningham 'tri-fecta' make a pretty good Heisman trophy 'candidate', in my book. Each, individually, work toward a common goal. Wouldn't that be something!

Quinn had a bad game because the Michigan defense ate him for lunch. Michigan is the only highly ranked team Notre Dame has played and Brady laid an egg against them. You have to be ready to play every week, the first game until the last game.

[Spence]

Right, If Troy lays an egg on his home field to the Michigan defense he won't win.

[donovan]

Troy Smith has the Heisman and rightfully so. All he can do now is lose it. No one else can win it. If he does self-destruct -- I have a hard time even visualizing how badly he would have to play -- AND Florida loses AND Texas gets into the NC game AND Colt McCoy has insane numbers in the last 3 games (all of which are on national TV) . . . . well, it would be cool for a UT guy to win the first of 4 straight Heisman Trophies.

Oops! My alarm went off. Dream must be over.

Dear Footnote,

This is not a dream...this is delusional...Spence does not allow delusion on this site...

[Spence]

Spence does not allow delusion on this site...

If we didn't, we would all have to leave.

[Derek]

The fact he's being talked about as a Heisman candidate, much less in the running for it....IS LAUGHABLE.

But I think i've said that before.