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What next?

Postby billybud » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:39 pm

MESA — Saying the elimination of football has denied African-American players “their civil rights,” an attorney representing 11 of them met with media Thursday to express concerns about the motivation of the Maricopa County Community College District.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix in December, said the players have suffered “the indignity of discrimination” after the district eliminated football at all four of its community colleges that had the sport. The 11 Maricopa County junior college players believe the move violates federal law because African-American students, who make up 62 percent of players at the four schools, are disproportionately impacted by it.



Soooo? By having a sport that the racial make up of black athletes is triple that of the local population, is not disproportianate spending?

Eliminate Lacrosse? Does that disproportionately affect a race? Or hockey, or swimming, or ?

Now you have a right to have a football program? Where will it end?
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Re: What next?

Postby Spence » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:14 pm

Yeah, it doesn’t make much sense. Football is a money maker in most schools, at least D1 schools. It also costs a lot to run a football program. I’m sure cost was the major consideration and not race.
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Re: What next?

Postby billybud » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:28 pm

Not a community college in the country that makes money from football...
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Re: What next?

Postby Spence » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:45 pm

billybud wrote:Not a community college in the country that makes money from football...


Right, because the ticket sales aren’t there. I’m sure that the cost +\- was the only concern for the administration.
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Re: What next?

Postby Cane from the Bend » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:23 pm

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This is this problem with today's entitlement generation.

They believe it is a right of theirs to continue doing things other people are paying for; then when the money dries up, they shout discrimination in order to get their way.

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Re: What next?

Postby Spence » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:53 pm

Cane from the Bend wrote:------------------------------------------------------------

This is this problem with today's entitlement generation.

They believe it is a right of theirs to continue doing things other people are paying for; then when the money dries up, they shout discrimination in order to get their way.

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That is exactly right. It is more about age than race. I have a 21 year old daughter who absolutely believes in socialism. She doesn’t understand that socialism comes with an aristocratic structure designed to oppress the majority of the people with no ability to change your position in life. She is one of those very motivated liberals who think people wouldn’t take advantage of their position even though it has been proven time and time again not to work.
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Re: What next?

Postby Derek » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:41 am

Spence wrote:
Cane from the Bend wrote:------------------------------------------------------------

This is this problem with today's entitlement generation.

They believe it is a right of theirs to continue doing things other people are paying for; then when the money dries up, they shout discrimination in order to get their way.

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That is exactly right. It is more about age than race. I have a 21 year old daughter who absolutely believes in socialism. She doesn’t understand that socialism comes with an aristocratic structure designed to oppress the majority of the people with no ability to change your position in life. She is one of those very motivated liberals who think people wouldn’t take advantage of their position even though it has been proven time and time again not to work.


John Adams said as much too....

"To expect self-denial from men when they have a majority in their favor, and consequently power to gratify themselves, is to disbelieve all history and universal experience—it is to disbelieve revelation and the Word of God, which informs us ‘the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked’ [Jeremiah 17:9]”"
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Re: What next?

Postby Mountainman » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:44 pm

Spence wrote:
Cane from the Bend wrote:------------------------------------------------------------

This is this problem with today's entitlement generation.

They believe it is a right of theirs to continue doing things other people are paying for; then when the money dries up, they shout discrimination in order to get their way.

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That is exactly right. It is more about age than race. I have a 21 year old daughter who absolutely believes in socialism. She doesn’t understand that socialism comes with an aristocratic structure designed to oppress the majority of the people with no ability to change your position in life. She is one of those very motivated liberals who think people wouldn’t take advantage of their position even though it has been proven time and time again not to work.




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The issue I fine with young people is they have not enough past to draw from...... 8)
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Re: What next?

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:36 am

Mountainman wrote:
Spence wrote:
Cane from the Bend wrote:------------------------------------------------------------

This is this problem with today's entitlement generation.

They believe it is a right of theirs to continue doing things other people are paying for; then when the money dries up, they shout discrimination in order to get their way.

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That is exactly right. It is more about age than race. I have a 21 year old daughter who absolutely believes in socialism. She doesn’t understand that socialism comes with an aristocratic structure designed to oppress the majority of the people with no ability to change your position in life. She is one of those very motivated liberals who think people wouldn’t take advantage of their position even though it has been proven time and time again not to work.





“The wisdom of the past provides a guidepost for the future” ~ Abraham Lincoln



The issue I fine with young people is they have not enough past to draw from...... 8)


I agree, but my 18 year old thinks nothing like that. The 21 year old is very right brain oriented and that may be the reason. Both or the older girls have high IQ's but the older one is very high. People think that a kid with a genius IQ would have no problems in school, but that isn't the completely the case. She can read and comprehend a book over 900 pages in a day. She understands advanced calculus and physics and it comes very easy for her. She almost failed Anatomy because she can't memorize anything. She can't tell you what 8x4 is without a calculator. It is very strange how her brain works and how she thinks. Common sense isn't her strong suit.
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Re: What next?

Postby Mountainman » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:38 am

Spence wrote:
Mountainman wrote:
Spence wrote:
Cane from the Bend wrote:------------------------------------------------------------

This is this problem with today's entitlement generation.

They believe it is a right of theirs to continue doing things other people are paying for; then when the money dries up, they shout discrimination in order to get their way.

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That is exactly right. It is more about age than race. I have a 21 year old daughter who absolutely believes in socialism. She doesn’t understand that socialism comes with an aristocratic structure designed to oppress the majority of the people with no ability to change your position in life. She is one of those very motivated liberals who think people wouldn’t take advantage of their position even though it has been proven time and time again not to work.





“The wisdom of the past provides a guidepost for the future” ~ Abraham Lincoln



The issue I fine with young people is they have not enough past to draw from...... 8)


I agree, but my 18 year old thinks nothing like that. The 21 year old is very right brain oriented and that may be the reason. Both or the older girls have high IQ's but the older one is very high. People think that a kid with a genius IQ would have no problems in school, but that isn't the completely the case. She can read and comprehend a book over 900 pages in a day. She understands advanced calculus and physics and it comes very easy for her. She almost failed Anatomy because she can't memorize anything. She can't tell you what 8x4 is without a calculator. It is very strange how her brain works and how she thinks. Common sense isn't her strong suit.




The genius is probably right, but history has shown us that the world is full of dumb-asses who have taken the work of genius and either weaponized, commercialized or politicized that work for self serving pursuit of fame, wealth and power. 8)
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Re: What next?

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:02 am

That is the problem with people like her. She has no horse sense at all.
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Re: What next?

Postby billybud » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:22 pm

I hope she is lucky enough to meet a mate who complements her...Luckily I did.

I have been blessed with a high IQ...tested out, in reading , at the college level in 3rd grade...was reading anthropology, paleontology, and archeology (early interests) when my compadres were reading coloring books.

I have come to know that there are different kinds of intelligences...having common sense or life sense, being artistic, being able to persuade people, etc.

What common sense I may possess is not innate, it came through experience...which only means that you learn about hot stoves after touching one.

Our son has his mother's gifts...his intelligence is rooted in the real world more than books. He is gifted in a different way and makes his living using those gifts.
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Re: What next?

Postby Spence » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:48 pm

billybud wrote:I hope she is lucky enough to meet a mate who complements her...Luckily I did.

I have been blessed with a high IQ...tested out, in reading , at the college level in 3rd grade...was reading anthropology, paleontology, and archeology (early interests) when my compadres were reading coloring books.

I have come to know that there are different kinds of intelligences...having common sense or life sense, being artistic, being able to persuade people, etc.

What common sense I may possess is not innate, it came through experience...which only means that you learn about hot stoves after touching one.

Our son has his mother's gifts...his intelligence is rooted in the real world more than books. He is gifted in a different way and makes his living using those gifts.


One can only hope. She walks the earth inside a cloud. She is a good hearted kid and she is highly motivated, but she has no idea how the world works, but she is very sure she does. She had the same gifts with reading. She taught herself to read at 3 from her mother and I reading to her. I thought she was memorizing the words at the time, but she was reading independently before she was 4 years old. Her reading comprehension was off the charts. She understands concepts instead of practicalities. I wanted her follow a similar line of work to yours, but she decided she wanted to be a occupational therapist. I think she will be pretty good at it if she can finish her last two years of grad school .
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Re: What next?

Postby billybud » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:10 pm

Folks like your daughter tend to live in their head. What she knows about life and philosophy is primarily by reading about it.

It is one thing to know every line of and understand a statute...I found out that good public policy takes understanding the real world and the consequences of actions. In a way, good public policy making is akin to chess. Seeing the future and the effect of the move of a piece....and getting it through the political grinder is akin to poker.

A lot of kids today live in their heads...few spend childhood years on farms...."raw" food, to them, is something plastic wrapped in the supermarket coolers. They watch hours of television, play hours of video games, and live an air conditioned, electronically plugged in life.

Why be able to multiply when your phone has a calculator app....why know how to make change if the register computes it for you?

Why learn cursive writing since keyboards don't do cursive?
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Re: What next?

Postby billybud » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:18 pm

I am a very good poker player...

One can play the odds (and you should)..but the very best players that I have played with have a gift...an intelligence.

It is close to playing a hunch, but it isn't. It is listening to your subconscious after it has detected anomolies, micro expressions, habits.

It is also knowing how to mirror those anomalies and microexpression to throw off the gifted reader...what we call "dragging a wing".

Good poker playing takes a blend of intelligences.
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