West Coast Edition: Boise State vs Utah

[Spence]

I don't think the PAC-10 could taake Boise State because Boise State doesn't fit the PAC-10 model. It isn't about football or even sports for that matter.

[Vileborg]

Yeah it saddens me that Utah is going to Pac-10, TCU is going to the Big East, and Boise is going to the MWC? I guess it looked better when TCU and Utah would have been there to play as of the three I think Boise is the best.

They were talking about Kellen Moore being picked up as a back-up for the NFL if he declared. I don't get it. The kid is good and I think he could start for quite a few teams that would have top 5 draft picks. He may have a year left and he may return but I think he is seasoned enough and has the stuff to be good in the NFL. He's a gamer like Tebow. They may pick on his delivery like they did Tebow but he's still a play maker and that's what you have to be to have success in the NFL.

It was a very sloppy game, but the score should have been a bigger blow out by far. Quite a few dropped passes that were well thrown.

[Spence]

Yeah it saddens me that Utah is going to Pac-10, TCU is going to the Big East, and Boise is going to the MWC? I guess it looked better when TCU and Utah would have been there to play as of the three I think Boise is the best.

They were talking about Kellen Moore being picked up as a back-up for the NFL if he declared. I don't get it. The kid is good and I think he could start for quite a few teams that would have top 5 draft picks. He may have a year left and he may return but I think he is seasoned enough and has the stuff to be good in the NFL. He's a gamer like Tebow. They may pick on his delivery like they did Tebow but he's still a play maker and that's what you have to be to have success in the NFL.

It was a very sloppy game, but the score should have been a bigger blow out by far. Quite a few dropped passes that were well thrown.

His problem is size. He is listed a 6ft. and probably isn't quite that. Troy Smith has had the same problem. He has bounced around and really not gotten a solid chance anywhere because teams are looking for that prototype QB. That is the business. It has nothing to to with ability or brains. It has to do with seeing over the offensive line.

[RazorHawk]

There aren't many Doug Flutes around and the game has changed. With tall Pro Linemen (Offense and Defense) it is important to be able to see and throw over them, not around them.

[donovan]

There aren't many Doug Flutes around and the game has changed. With tall Pro Linemen (Offense and Defense) it is important to be able to see and throw over them, not around them.

Plus in the draft teams are looking for franchise players...that is where the money is for the team. They would much rather take a chance in the draft on getting a franchise player than just a OK QB. He, I suppose, will get a chance...and he may make it big time, or not....but will not be going down the easy road. He will come back next year. I think his family is solid in helping him and his brother plays for BSU as a receiver.

PS...BSU had the 2nd highest grade point average, right behind Stanford....of course they have, like their schedule, really easy classes, BB.

[Spence]

There aren't many Doug Flutes around and the game has changed. With tall Pro Linemen (Offense and Defense) it is important to be able to see and throw over them, not around them.

Plus in the draft teams are looking for franchise players...that is where the money is for the team. They would much rather take a chance in the draft on getting a franchise player than just a OK QB. He, I suppose, will get a chance...and he may make it big time, or not....but will not be going down the easy road. He will come back next year. I think his family is solid in helping him and his brother plays for BSU as a receiver.

PS...BSU had the 2nd highest grade point average, right behind Stanford....of course they have, like their schedule, really easy classes, BB.

I wasn't saying that Boise State didn't have a good academic program when I said they don't fit the model. The B-10 is a group of research schools and they work together on research grants and other projects. That is the first thing considered when they look to expand. Sports don't really mean anything to the school's brass except as a way to market the school.

[billybud]

Well Donovan....I'll let a Boise player talk to that. Boise State, like many schools, has an area that athletes gravitate to and which is a "get by" major for these athletes.

"Former Boise State safety Marty Tadman was among the 48% of the football team's juniors and seniors majoring in communication during the 2007-08 academic year. Boise State's communication program also drew 50% of the juniors and seniors on the men's basketball and women's basketball teams.

"You hear which majors, and which classes, are the easiest and you take them," Tadman says. "You're going to school so you can stay in sports. You're not going for a degree. … It's a joke."

[donovan]

BSU does not fit the PAC 23 for a lot of reasons....academics is not one of them......I think it is somewhat sophomoric to compare grade point averages between schools...Stanford and BSU...truth is on probably grades easily and the Stanfords grade have grad inflation.....It is all ridiculous. As for players taking easy majors...hmm..not willing to joint those that think one major is more important than another. Don't have the garbage men come by for a couple of weeks and tell me what is the most important profession. Do I think matriculation at BSU may be more common man than Stanford, Harvard or Florida State....I have no idea. Do I think BSU has a good football team. Yes, I do. Do I think both Utah and BSU looked like and acted like a bunch of thugs last night. Yep.

[Spence]

They were a bit chippy early on, I don't know if I would go as far as to call them thugs.

[donovan]

They were a bit chippy early on, I don't know if I would go as far as to call them thugs.

Maybe not, now that the "thug" bar has been raised. I am with you Spence...those kids knew and I can not believe some coaches did not know. One of the problems with big programs where the head coach is an administrator, their ear may not be as close to the ground as it should be.

[billybud]

They looked like the kids that they are....

Young men, especially competitive young men, can get into macho scraps....I am no thug yet I do remember being 19 and running from the Shore Patrol after a bar brawl broke out. Just like the old movies.

[Spence]

I had my share of chippy moments as a 15-24 year old. It took me longer to grow up than most.

[donovan]

They looked like the kids that they are....

Young men, especially competitive young men, can get into macho scraps....I am no thug yet I do remember being 19 and running from the Shore Patrol after a bar brawl broke out. Just like the old movies.

Why did the vision of Abbott and Costello come to my mind....I am sure Steve McQueen in Sand Pebbles bar brawl would be more flattering...but...frankly, I like Abbott and Costello.

[Spence]

They looked like the kids that they are....

Young men, especially competitive young men, can get into macho scraps....I am no thug yet I do remember being 19 and running from the Shore Patrol after a bar brawl broke out. Just like the old movies.

Why did the vision of Abbott and Costello come to my mind....I am sure Steve McQueen in Sand Pebbles bar brawl would be more flattering...but...frankly, I like Abbott and Costello.

I think we would like to picture ourselves as Steve McQueen, but Abbott and Costello would be closer to the reality.

[..fanatic]

This was just a horrible game. Boise State didn't look good at all, but Utah looked like complete crap. Utah's 3 losses in a 10-3 season came by a combined 101-13 to TCU (47-7), Notre Dame (28-3) and Boise State (26-3). They may find themselves as the perennial doormat in the PAC-10.

I find it ironic, to say the least, that Boise State tried to find a better conference than the WAC and wound up in nothing more than a new, and only slightly improved, WAC. Had Utah, TCU and BYU stayed, the MWC would have quickly become the next automatic qualifier conference of the BCS. Now, CUSA has a better shot than the Mounatin West (and that's not much of a shot).

Unlike the realignment that occurred a few years ago, none of this year's conference switches made sense.

By the way, is there a hat trick of conference membership? If so, we should all be throwing hats on the floor to congratulate TCU which has now been a member of the WAC, CUSA, Mountain West and Big East - all since 2000.