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The death of small business

Postby Spence » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:05 pm

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Re: The death of small business

Postby donovan » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:28 am

Small businesses can not stand anymore mandates. None. So now there are only big businesses and they fund all of this stuff by buying from the Chinese Communists. Maybe Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou and Shenzhen can join the SEC. Of course football will be replaced with table tennis.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Derek » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:15 pm

But donovan don't forget. The only big business that will be allowed to survive are the one's that support the President's agenda....See Chrysler dealerships as an example.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Brian Roastbeef » Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:54 am

Derek wrote:But donovan don't forget. The only big business that will be allowed to survive are the one's that support the President's agenda....See Chrysler dealerships as an example.


Exactly. I am amazed that there is not greater mass public outrage with the corrupt actions of Eric Holder and the Department of "Justice" under this administration. They actively attack and destroy private businesses, large and small that refuse to give proper obeisance to this government, or too publicly support the Republican party. I'm continually stupefied that such can be permitted in any self-described free nation, let alone the recognized world bastion of freedom.

Many opponents of President Zero describe him in the context of socialism, which is correct at many levels. Yet this sort of promotion of certain private business, coupled with undue oversight and coercion into a single political agenda and punishment for those who fail to comply, is more distinctive of Fascism. History tends to categorize it as a "right-wing" ideology, due to its nationalist sentiments, but domestically it is slowly creeping its way in here from the left.

I hope the people of this nation are wise enough to make their voices heard at the ballot boxes in thirteen and a half months... At this point I doubt a new President could even make a solid dent at fixing all of the damage. Yet I do expect that simply from the moment he takes office, whether it is Romney, Perry, or by some grace Herman Cain (I really like the way that guy can talk), there will be some degree of recovery, simply from new-found stability as business breathes a sigh of relief that they are no longer forced to work with that particular burden of corruption over their heads.

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Re: The death of small business

Postby WoVeU » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:15 pm

This is no surprise to anyone.

What has happened to journalism? What is all of this "some will" and "some will"? Can a brother get some semi-explicit information? What differentiates the rates to come from those seen now? Causes, variables, and perceptions and likelihoods for areas that have room for manipulation in how they apply/fulfill certain obligations. (This is all the time, all the news on TV is reduced to bullets and headlines with only veins of supporting information. All this so they can then run the "story" 40 times.)

But as for Obamacare, we are well past paying for the Socialism we already have. This will just accelerate the death of the country.

Think about this...the economic problems here and abroad. Can you tell me the lacking or scarce resource(s) pushing all of these problems? Or is there a large demand fall off?
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Re: The death of small business

Postby WoVeU » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:37 pm

I am liking it. It didn't take him long (about 8 min) to get to a huge problem for a Republic with Free Enterprise....The FED. 1) The creation of the FED in the 1st place is not at all obedient to a free market platform...the FED is composed of bankers and banking interest. So when they form an entity to set a prime lending rate and be the bank of banks, that is a Monopoly. 2) Then when you have the FED in constant contact and partnership with The Treasury you have government colluding with private enterprise. 3) Then on top of this you The FED (through the FED Chairman) reporting to Congress, even in the form of a briefing, you already have a form of Socialism. (No one should be on the Senate or House Floor presenting anything unless they are a governing official IMO. The baseball mess and other things are unconstitutional the way I see it, in that case they are acting more as a Judiciary. That is a real problem when you also have The Judiciary making law through Precedence when The Judiciary should preside over law as set by Congress. They've got everything so jacked up it is a joke! Separation of powers, my foot.)

OK,that was my rant, he gets to the point though...The FED stepped outside of monetary stabilization when they became highly reactive to Wall Street in the late 90's...first and rather late being concerned with the dot-Com expansion. Then later trying to control rates, velocity, and investment to restore those days of growth was an egregious error! They should have never stepped outside of M0 through M2 to set policy. But having concerned themselves so much with M3 for several years and then move to a position of disregarding due to complexity was really worse. But that came via the whole financial sector meltdown which got to be the problem it was by so many powers not being separate and then further allowing strange Monopolies and Oligopolies with finance, insurance, and investment...then even after that you can bring back full circle with 401K's and the Freddie's.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Spence » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:06 pm

I like Ryan. My fraternity class pulled ditch at Hillsdale. A good bunch of people there for a school in Michigan. :P
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Postby WoVeU » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:16 am

I like that he understands the technical aspect and the true historic prospective and has the ability to bring it back to a common point. You can only do this when you are fully knowledgeable with the subject and material.

I am so sick and tired of Obama (King of the Hill) and everyone else on the Hill talking on in abstraction and applying broad brushes to allegedly form some basis for their cause! My wife or oldest son will be watching the boobs on the tube and I get so steamed I have to leave the room!
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Eric » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:40 pm

It's pretty easy to tell what is going on here. Larger companies collude with the government and the "regulation" (which is an awfully presumptuous label, isn't it?) is often written by and paid for by these larger companies. The goal is to increase the operating costs for potential competitors. It's a barrier to entry. This is case in point why we don't have a free market and as Brian said, it is most definitely a fascist (of the economic variety) system.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Brian Roastbeef » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:22 pm

Ryan indeed has a particularly rare orator's ability for taking complex political and economic issues and explaining them simply and without the appearance of talking down to his listeners. It's a shame that nobody was successfully able to convince him into running against President Zero this year, although his value in the House is itself immeasurable.

As for the continuing federal intrusion into the private sector, NRO has a good piece which leads off with what is becoming the most infamous case of "regulatory enforcement" or whatever sanitized term one wishes to use for this blatant breach of Constitutional rights.


Meanwhile, a certain North Carolinian lifts the veil and proudly proclaims her affinity for tyranny.

Everything is moving very quickly now...

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Re: The death of small business

Postby Spence » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:43 pm

Eric wrote:It's pretty easy to tell what is going on here. Larger companies collude with the government and the "regulation" (which is an awfully presumptuous label, isn't it?) is often written by and paid for by these larger companies. The goal is to increase the operating costs for potential competitors. It's a barrier to entry. This is case in point why we don't have a free market and as Brian said, it is most definitely a fascist (of the economic variety) system.


That is exactly what happens and all the extra regulation drives the small companies out. The smaller companies have to rely on reputation to survive because they can't do things as cheaply as the larger guys. The larger guys have to have more strict rules because their employees generally don't care about the reputation of the company. They are there to put in their time. The owner generally is "hands on" at the smaller place.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby WoVeU » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:55 pm

Brian Roastbeef wrote:Ryan indeed has a particularly rare orator's ability for taking complex political and economic issues and explaining them simply and without the appearance of talking down to his listeners. It's a shame that nobody was successfully able to convince him into running against President Zero this year, although his value in the House is itself immeasurable.

As for the continuing federal intrusion into the private sector, NRO has a good piece which leads off with what is becoming the most infamous case of "regulatory enforcement" or whatever sanitized term one wishes to use for this blatant breach of Constitutional rights.


Meanwhile, a certain North Carolinian lifts the veil and proudly proclaims her affinity for tyranny.

Everything is moving very quickly now...


I have to agree with her to a large degree. Not in suspending anything, that opens up a broad path to a dark place. But I think she is only implying what I have said for a long time, politics has been at odds with governance for at least 40 years. Shorter terms can only lead to increased voter wooing. Technology and Media now feed this intravenously! These people never take their eye off of election implications. This has greatly accelerated the people voting themselves raises. The lower 1/3 to 1/2 economically get theirs through the poles....but the top 3-5% get their raises through policy developed by the lobbying-dozer (complete w/ facade). The middle has gotten a little here and there from each of these (but the middle has been able to keep most of their monetary promise, but it buys less and requires much more time investment now) the middle with the 2 ends following then churn about changing direction come election time. The dynamo is a scientific impossibility, but we witness it everyday as a social-science vehicle...and she is gaining speed boys.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Derek » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:08 am

Eric wrote:It's pretty easy to tell what is going on here. Larger companies collude with the government and the "regulation" (which is an awfully presumptuous label, isn't it?) is often written by and paid for by these larger companies. The goal is to increase the operating costs for potential competitors. It's a barrier to entry. This is case in point why we don't have a free market and as Brian said, it is most definitely a fascist (of the economic variety) system.


See GE as the example for Eric's point.
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Re: The death of small business

Postby Derek » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:10 am

Anyone want to takes bets on what happens in Jan 2013 when it's time for The O to leave office?? If you think he will leave gracefully and there will be no riots, ask yourself why that would be.
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