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Ronald Reagan speaks out against Socialized Medicine, and..

Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 am

From the 1960's...video is 8 minutes long but worth the listen:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&sns=em)

This is a good one....Reagan on Patriotism
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4yf723 ... re=related)

Great video of Reagen...called "Yes We Can"
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX8X_FsB ... re=related)

I listen to Obama speak and it saddens me to think at how far our country has fallen to elect someone who thinks so little of the US. I also get the sense that he is in it for himself. When I hear Reagan speak I believed him. This has nothing to do with party affiliation. Reagan just seemed to get it....will we ever have another Reagan? Man...I hope so. And would Reagan ever think about saying things to appease the crazy wacko dictators of the world. The Obama UN speak a couple of months ago made my stomach turn....Reagan probably rolled over in his grave.
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Re: Ronald Reagan speaks out against Socialized Medicine, and..

Postby Eric » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:17 am

I think Obama is kind of the Reagan of the Left (I guess you could call him the anti-Reagan). The Reagan era, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't without its flaws or anything. I think America will take a hit and be worse off for electing Obama, but the world isn't going to fall apart quite yet. We elect a few more Bushes or a few more Obamas and things will continue to worsen. I think if you push America to the brink that hopefully >50% will get the picture. I think that's the case here with the health care. But what bothers me is the 10% or so of people who either switched sides, said they are sorry they voted for Obama, or that they "didn't expect him to change this much about health care!" All I have to say to that crowd is: Pay attention. :|
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Postby Spence » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:16 am

Reagan's biggest fault was that he let congress run wild spending money as long as they gave him what he wanted. His focus was to push Russia into bankruptcy. He did.

Obama's focus seems to be to push us into bancruptcy.
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Postby donovan » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:24 am

The most endangered species in America is the individual. Our turning our moral responsibility over to government has made it nearly impossible for an individual act individually.

Some examples:

In Washington they voted to ban smoking in all restaurants, taverns and bars. I am absolutely against smoking, I know the problems it causes. I do not like to breathe second hand smoke and frankly I enjoy restaurants more now. I voted against the ban. If a tavern owner wants his patrons to smoke, it is his business and I do not have to patronize it.

I am opposed to gambling, I think it ruins communities and is a lure to far worse crimes. If a person wants to run a gambling joint, he shold be able to do so. I do not have to participate. But in Washington, my tax dollars go to support a state run lottery. Do not be decieved that these are self supporting.

I am opposed to alcohol, but there are state run liquor stores. If indiviuals want to sell booze, they should be able to do so.

I am against recreational drugs. If people choose to use them and have issues...it is very difficult to say, I am not going to help them...they are on their own. But I get to decide if I want to help them, not sure the government needs to be involve.

If someone drives and drinks or uses drugs while driving....the go to jail. The state has not right nor responsiblity for rehabilitation...most may never have been habilitated to begin with.

I want to be able to choose what I want and allow others the same option.

As for Reagan, his biggest mistake was Iran Contra...but he manned up and told the truth...that is all that is required of government, is to tell the truth, just like the rest of us should always be truthful

Reagan was a leader...there have been others...not that I agreed with what they said, but a leader I would be willing to follow and trust there judgment. Roosevelt, Truman, Esienhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and George the first were leaders, some better than others but they led. That is what we need and probably more than any in my lifetime President Obama does not have leadership qualities. He may be visionary, but I do not like his vision and he is unable to stay focused, instill confidence on any of the 7.494 projects he has taken on.
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Re: Ronald Reagan speaks out against Socialized Medicine, and..

Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:33 am

When I said will we ever have another Reagan, I was really referring to his Patriotism, and the fact that he really seemed to care about the American people...he seemed genuine to me. I never felt like he was in that position for himself but that he wanted to serve the people. I loved his take on government being the problem and it only has the amount of power that the people allow it to have...that is the complete opposite of what Obama stands for.

I love how Reagen was unapologetic to the world when speaking about the greatness of the US...he loved this country and did want to make it better because it was the right thing to do....and he believed we could and were doing great things.

Obama apologizes to the world in every speach he gives....he seems to really have a disdain for the US....and he seems to not want to make the US better but change us to be like the rest of the world....he is too concerned about what the rest of the world thinks about us....especially to the ones that would like to harm us.

Great post Donovan.
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Postby Spence » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:45 am

The most endangered species in America is the individual. Our turning our moral responsibility over to government has made it nearly impossible for an individual act individually.


Nothing else sums up all the problems of this country more then that statement. I would add that we seem to want to turn all of our responsibility over to the government.
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Postby Eric » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:21 pm

I love how Reagen was unapologetic to the world when speaking about the greatness of the US...he loved this country and did want to make it better because it was the right thing to do....and he believed we could and were doing great things.


The problem here is that America is not a perfect country. By being "unapologetic", you are in away saying that America is infallible (or at least unwilling to admit that America is infallible). That's not the case. Patriotism is good in limited doses. I don't feel a sense of guilt that my country did something wrong if they do because I am pretty much only responsible for myself. I think patriotism can sometimes be counter-productive to individualism. :idea:
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Postby donovan » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:40 pm

A few years back there were these bumper sticker that said, "America right or wrong" and "America love it or leave it."

Those were lunacy statements. I defend the liberty of this country but do not excuse nor condone something just because the government does it. That covers the gamut of topics.

Maybe "America love it or change it"...makes better sense. What is often called patriotism is jingoism.

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Postby Derek » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:27 pm

Not to toot my own horn, but I posted these a while back. :lol:
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Postby Derek » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:31 pm

donovan wrote:The most endangered species in America is the individual. Our turning our moral responsibility over to government has made it nearly impossible for an individual act individually.

Some examples:

In Washington they voted to ban smoking in all restaurants, taverns and bars. I am absolutely against smoking, I know the problems it causes. I do not like to breathe second hand smoke and frankly I enjoy restaurants more now. I voted against the ban. If a tavern owner wants his patrons to smoke, it is his business and I do not have to patronize it.

I am opposed to gambling, I think it ruins communities and is a lure to far worse crimes. If a person wants to run a gambling joint, he shold be able to do so. I do not have to participate. But in Washington, my tax dollars go to support a state run lottery. Do not be decieved that these are self supporting.

I am opposed to alcohol, but there are state run liquor stores. If indiviuals want to sell booze, they should be able to do so.

I am against recreational drugs. If people choose to use them and have issues...it is very difficult to say, I am not going to help them...they are on their own. But I get to decide if I want to help them, not sure the government needs to be involve.

If someone drives and drinks or uses drugs while driving....the go to jail. The state has not right nor responsiblity for rehabilitation...most may never have been habilitated to begin with.

I want to be able to choose what I want and allow others the same option.

As for Reagan, his biggest mistake was Iran Contra...but he manned up and told the truth...that is all that is required of government, is to tell the truth, just like the rest of us should always be truthful

Reagan was a leader...there have been others...not that I agreed with what they said, but a leader I would be willing to follow and trust there judgment. Roosevelt, Truman, Esienhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and George the first were leaders, some better than others but they led. That is what we need and probably more than any in my lifetime President Obama does not have leadership qualities. He may be visionary, but I do not like his vision and he is unable to stay focused, instill confidence on any of the 7.494 projects he has taken on.



By far the best post you have EVER put up. WELL SAID!!

I especially agree with your point on drugs and alcohol. It's not my concern if you do drugs, and if you do...you ain't gonna see one penny of my tax dollars to help you out afterwards. If you are in my community and you come to my church for help, you will get it. But it will be completely voluntary, not compulsory like taxes.
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Postby Eric » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:39 pm

donovan wrote:A few years back there were these bumper sticker that said, "America right or wrong" and "America love it or leave it."

Those were lunacy statements. I defend the liberty of this country but do not excuse nor condone something just because the government does it. That covers the gamut of topics.

Maybe "America love it or change it"...makes better sense. What is often called patriotism is jingoism.

Part of being an individual in society is knowing when you must compromise for the liberty of others.


I disagree with your last statement. 8) What does that mean? You could use that to justify anything in the proper context.
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Postby donovan » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:47 pm

Eric wrote:
donovan wrote:A few years back there were these bumper sticker that said, "America right or wrong" and "America love it or leave it."

Those were lunacy statements. I defend the liberty of this country but do not excuse nor condone something just because the government does it. That covers the gamut of topics.

Maybe "America love it or change it"...makes better sense. What is often called patriotism is jingoism.

Part of being an individual in society is knowing when you must compromise for the liberty of others.


I disagree with your last statement. 8) What does that mean? You could use that to justify anything in the proper context.


Simply means this...if I have a firm belief that we should drive on the left hand side of the road...I don't get to do that.

The problem with this area, Eric, if you do not define liberty and individual responsibility carefully, you promote anarchy. And justifying things in their proper context is what we do. We just do not get to take other peoples inventory for them.
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Postby Eric » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:26 pm

Actually if you subscribe to that logic, it would not be in your best self-interest to drive on the left side of the road :lol: I might not be making myself clear and I'm not going to give a long-winded description of my beliefs, but my view of politics has been well-defined. I'm a very thoughtful person, so I've come up with an opinion on nearly everything :D

But I realize it's not a perfect world. By the way, since you bring that up, there have been successful private roads in America :D
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Postby WoVeU » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:17 pm

Spence wrote:Reagan's biggest fault was that he let congress run wild spending money as long as they gave him what he wanted. His focus was to push Russia into bankruptcy. He did.

Obama's focus seems to be to push us into bancruptcy.


He did, at least will, and at the very least will author the finishing of the Chapers!
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Postby Dossenator » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:27 pm

Patriotism does not remove the individual from society. Reagan said that true patiotism is rooted in our history....the great accomplishments of this country....the accomplishments of individuals and the country as a whole. And it's these accomplishments that bring us together. Our history also shows that in our darkest moments: civil war, civil rights, etc that we as a people have prevailed to become a better people and nation. That is something we should all take pride in. No other country on the planet can even begin to compare to the accomplishments that our inventors have provided over the past 200 years, or the aid in spreading democracy and freeedom around the world (how many countless thousands have we sacrificed to aid other nations when they were being oppressed), and to our humanitarian aid in Africa, etc, etc, etc. There is a reason people all over the world still would love to call the United States home (a recent survey of more than 200,000 people was given...they were asked if they were given to choice to move to anywhere in the world where would you move too....over 60% said the United States...the next closest did not even receive 20% of the votes...and it was England). They know they have a chance to better themselves and live in a place where we strive for equality for all. Not everyone will be successful, but you have the chance to grow. Reagan believed these things and believed in us....unapologetically. He did not dismiss that we too are flawed but embraced that what made us different is that we have the capacity to become better. Socialism does not allow individualism to thrive...it does allow for advancement...and stifles creativity. Mr Obama wants this for America...the complete opposite of Mr Reagan and it scares me. Obama seems to have a three fold plan: redistribute the wealth, socialize every aspect of our lives, and to insure that the governments controls our every move. That is what destroys the individual.
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