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Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:50 am
by Mountainman
Spence wrote:I've said that for years. if the money weren't so good the NCAA would do something about it.
……..and therein lies the conflict, with teams wanting a path for access, while fans wanting their team a performance based opportunity, and the ‘CFP’ Parties wanting money.
It’ll be interesting to see how they juggle the balls going forward……
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:16 am
by Mountainman
……..more insight into what the CFP guys are thinking.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... champions/
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:06 pm
by Cane from the Bend
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Now consider ...
The top four conference champions get a bye.
The arguments will still remain the same. Why wasn't my team in the top four? How is it fair that so & such gets a bye
instead of "insert bleeding heart fan base here"?
And of course the additional; Well, my team had just as good of a record as #12, why are we ranked #13 -- #14 -- #15 -- #16?
When are we going to expand to 16 and be fair? When are we going to include all ten conference champions?
All of this, and nothing gets changed.
Because the Top Four conference champs, will be the usual suspects, and have a more rested team, who had an extra two weeks to prepare.
Meanwhile; back at the Golden Dome ... Notre Dame makes their preseason plans for their annual playoff appearance.
And with the Power5 receiving the obligatory nod, the selection committee has already given themselves a buffer, by saying:
"See, you groups of 5ers? The Pac 12/ACC/Big XII didn't make the top four either. So, you're welcome."
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Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:38 pm
by Mountainman
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:11 am
by Spence
I find it interesting that the Universities - the same places that espouse socialist and liberal agendas- put money ahead of "fairness" when the money is theirs. I find it fascinating that as many bad examples of socialism that exist and has existed in the past and there are still people that believe that it can work for the people. Socialism just insures that the working class will never move out of the working class and the aristocrats will rule forever. Power to the people - yeah right.
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:07 pm
by Cane from the Bend
Spence wrote:I find it interesting that the Universities - the same places that espouse socialist and liberal agendas- put money ahead of "fairness" when the money is theirs. I find it fascinating that as many bad examples of socialism that exist and has existed in the past and there are still people that believe that it can work for the people. Socialism just insures that the working class will never move out of the working class and the aristocrats will rule forever. Power to the people - yeah right.
Precisely ...
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Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:10 am
by Mountainman
Cane from the Bend wrote:Spence wrote:I find it interesting that the Universities - the same places that espouse socialist and liberal agendas- put money ahead of "fairness" when the money is theirs. I find it fascinating that as many bad examples of socialism that exist and has existed in the past and there are still people that believe that it can work for the people. Socialism just insures that the working class will never move out of the working class and the aristocrats will rule forever. Power to the people - yeah right.
Precisely ...
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Gentlemen, IMHO, the NCAA as the governing body of College Sports is on wobbly legs……. With lawsuits, Supreme Court antitrust decisions pending, Transfer Portals, NIL’s, FBI investigations into recruiting scandals, CFP Committee, required non-revenue sports, Title IX issues, the load may very well result in a collapse of it as a governing body.
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:02 pm
by Spence
And it is a complete shame that a scholarship program instituted to help kids pay for school has been turned into this mess. The biggest problem with college athletics has never been with the kids, it has always been at the top and the NCAA represents the top, they have never worked for the kids.
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:22 pm
by Mountainman
Spence wrote:And it is a complete shame that a scholarship program instituted to help kids pay for school has been turned into this mess. The biggest problem with college athletics has never been with the kids, it has always been at the top and the NCAA represents the top, they have never worked for the kids.
The NCAA appears to me too often of being behind the curve, meaning they’re reacting to change and changing times and circumstances as opposed to being proactive and getting ahead of the curve before things are in a crisis mode and then addressing them.
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:52 pm
by Cane from the Bend
Mountainman wrote:Spence wrote:And it is a complete shame that a scholarship program instituted to help kids pay for school has been turned into this mess. The biggest problem with college athletics has never been with the kids, it has always been at the top and the NCAA represents the top, they have never worked for the kids.
The NCAA appears to me too often of being behind the curve, meaning they’re reacting to change and changing times and circumstances as opposed to being proactive and getting ahead of the curve before things are in a crisis mode and then addressing them.
Yes; and now, politicians want to get involved, because as it is, they cannot tax these kids ...
Scholarships are exempt from taxation.
Payments for jerseys, autographs and royalties from Name/Image/Likeness however ...
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Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:17 am
by Spence
Cane from the Bend wrote:Mountainman wrote:Spence wrote:And it is a complete shame that a scholarship program instituted to help kids pay for school has been turned into this mess. The biggest problem with college athletics has never been with the kids, it has always been at the top and the NCAA represents the top, they have never worked for the kids.
The NCAA appears to me too often of being behind the curve, meaning they’re reacting to change and changing times and circumstances as opposed to being proactive and getting ahead of the curve before things are in a crisis mode and then addressing them.
Yes; and now, politicians want to get involved, because as it is, they cannot tax these kids ...
Scholarships are exempt from taxation.
Payments for jerseys, autographs and royalties from Name/Image/Likeness however ...
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Bringing what is in the darkness out into the light.
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:19 pm
by Mountainman
Spence wrote:Cane from the Bend wrote:Mountainman wrote:Spence wrote:And it is a complete shame that a scholarship program instituted to help kids pay for school has been turned into this mess. The biggest problem with college athletics has never been with the kids, it has always been at the top and the NCAA represents the top, they have never worked for the kids.
The NCAA appears to me too often of being behind the curve, meaning they’re reacting to change and changing times and circumstances as opposed to being proactive and getting ahead of the curve before things are in a crisis mode and then addressing them.
Yes; and now, politicians want to get involved, because as it is, they cannot tax these kids ...
Scholarships are exempt from taxation.
Payments for jerseys, autographs and royalties from Name/Image/Likeness however ...
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Bringing what is in the darkness out into the light.
Update:
https://www.si.com/college/2021/06/16/n ... ators-skip
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:02 am
by Cane from the Bend
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I like the idea that they are saying, Athletes should have been at the table the whole time.
I agree, if you are speaking of a particular demographic, their voices should be included.
The problem I have is near the beginning of the article; the language used, is: "threatening the equitability of NCAA sports."
This pure Marxism.
Equality is the ideology that each individual has the same opportunity, where those who succeed are those who excel at a thing.
Equity is the ideology that there is a flat compensation for everyone, regardless of success & effort put in.
That would mean, by the virtues of equity; all student athletes [irregardless the sport] will be financially compensated the same flat income across all NCAA affiliate collegiate programs. The women's soccer team, would receive the same revenue share as the men's basketball & football teams.
It's clear where the minds of Sports Illustrated are at. This is the terminology being used by Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Alexandra Cortez.
So I'm not quite sure that SI knows the capitalist implications of NIL. Or, maybe they do, and want to start interjecting socialist language into the conversation, with future intent.
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Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:28 am
by Mountainman
Re: 6--8--10--12--16
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:29 pm
by Spence
He didn’t have a choice on name, image, and likeness. The schools were already moving forward with it.