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by CFP Admin
Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:06 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

Spence wrote:By the way, nice job with the previews. Lots of good info. Anyone who hasn't checked it out should.


Thank you very much!
by CFP Admin
Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:01 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

Here's my theory, to some degree. Upper echelon teams have all the help they need - higher profiles for better recruiting, better conference affiliations for better TV contracts, better money to create even higher profiles and recruiting and go around the circle again and again. So the question beco...
by CFP Admin
Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:49 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

Something I have always wondered about with rankings, why doesn't the computer play off every team against every other team to determine preseason position. Now, what I know about setting something like that up is nothing. Still it seems to me that if the computer played all the games out and then ...
by CFP Admin
Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:33 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

Something I have always wondered about with rankings, why doesn't the computer play off every team against every other team to determine preseason position. Now, what I know about setting something like that up is nothing. Still it seems to me that if the computer played all the games out and then ...
by CFP Admin
Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:19 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

Just what argument is that other than saying Ball State has no wins over non-MAC teams is pretty far off. They, in fact, have 249 such wins. I think saying they could beat a big team is fair at this point. Isn't this all getting just a little silly? Fine - billybud wasn't more specific in what he w...
by CFP Admin
Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:33 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

I looked at the predicted finishes...Ball State predicted to finish 9-3 vs other teams with lesser win totals... A 9-3 might look real good, but in context: I sure would take an FSU (predicted 6-6) over a Ball State (predicted 9-3)...I'd put $$$ on that game straight up. Especially if later in the ...
by CFP Admin
Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:49 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

BB, it annoys me when I see stuff like "hasn't beat a team outside of the MAC". Perhaps I get chippy when that happens, but come on, Ball State has wins over UConn recently and a pretty good Navy team. I hate to a team getting dogged like that when it's not really fair. Ball State also ca...
by CFP Admin
Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:16 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

ktffan...day late and a dollar short...we covered that. I meant team in a IA conference other than the MAC. Again, you are wrong. Ball State, since 1975 (according to Howell's records), has not beaten a IA team in a conference...they have beaten Navy (Independent) and UConn (not while in a conferen...
by CFP Admin
Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:11 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

If Nevada wins 10 games and Auburn wins 10 games...my human eye says "whoa, big difference". Now, if a computer "sees" that Nevada wins 10 games and their opponents win the same number of games as Auburn's opponents, I'd hate to see the computer jump to the conclusion that the t...
by CFP Admin
Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:29 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

I understand what the CCR did with final projected ranking but I don't understand this whole preseason power ranking thing. I guess I thought that the computers were supposed to be totally objective. Therefore, if nobody has played any games, shouldn't every team be equal at this point? How can any...
by CFP Admin
Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:52 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin
Replies: 12
Views: 3879

Re: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin

I understand the site administration's personal interest in this subject...and I mean you no disrespect Mr. C... I see Sagarin listed as winner in MOST STRAIGHT UP WINNERS (Entire Season) in 2006 and 2004...that is predictive . I guess I have to stand corrected on my assertion that "Sagarin is...
by CFP Admin
Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin
Replies: 12
Views: 3879

Re: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin

I understand the site administration's personal interest in this subject...and I mean you no disrespect Mr. C... oh really...... The figures above say otherwise. Sagarin is good for retrodictive (looking backwards), but isn't worth a hoot for predictive. I see Sagarin listed as winner in MOST STRAI...
by CFP Admin
Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:09 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns
Replies: 113
Views: 28481

Re: Don't Understand Congrove's Algorithmns

Thank you for the time you took to educate us (those of us who are educable..LOL). I have been trying to understand the CCR...and you have certainly helped me... You are certainly welcome - glad I could actually clear something up without making it more confusing. I would hazzard a guess that the m...
by CFP Admin
Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin
Replies: 12
Views: 3879

Re: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin

I surely would pay attention to Sagarin...his system is highly ranked for accuracy oh really...... :P The figures above say otherwise. Sagarin is good for retrodictive (looking backwards), but isn't worth a hoot for predictive. ...I would pay attention to the Vegas Line..it is a real tell tale. It ...
by CFP Admin
Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:33 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin
Replies: 12
Views: 3879

Re: Anderson & Hester vs. Sagarin

Here's Congrove against the spread vs. the BCS 2007 10 - Dave Congrove 0.51571 45 - Sagarin Elo 0.48429 49 - Billingsly 0.48286 55 - Anderson/Hester 0.46980 56 - Colley Rankings 0.46705 57 - Wolfe 0.46644 59 - Massey BCS 0.44654 2006 11 - Billingsly 0.53094 17 - Dave Congrove 0.52086 41 - Massey BCS...

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